This week’s episode of Someone Else’s Movie feels a little rushed, because I only had half an hour with Joan Chen and we were talking about a movie we both love, throwing ideas and feelings back and forth, each of us really listening to what the other was saying.

That’s the sort of engagement  this show often invites, and it’s wonderful. But there was also a slight delay on the Zoom, which made the conversation a little more careful than I think either of us wanted it to be. I’ve tried to edit out the stops and starts for a more natural rhythm, but if you sense some hesitation, that’s what it was.

Hopefully, though, you’ll be as swept up in our conversation about The Diving Bell and the Butterfly as we were, because while the film has faded from memory in the decades since its Cannes premiere, it deserves your attention. Julian Schnabel has made a lot of movies about artists — I think Miral is the sole exception? — but this is by far his most empathetic and immediate work, and one that lays me out every time I watch it. Joan hadn’t seen it in a while, but key moments came flooding back to her as we spoke. That’s always fun too.

Anyway, give it a listen. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, YouTube Podcasts or your podcatcher of choice, or just download the episode directly from the web and listen to it somewhere peaceful. And go see Montreal, My Beautiful when it opens across Canada on Friday; Joan is incredible in it, and the movie’s pretty damn good as well.

There was only one edition of Shiny Things last week, covering the new Blu-ray of Richard Linklater’s Blue Moon and the 4K edition of Oz Perkins’ Keeper, but I think you’ll find it worth your time; there’s also the Friday What’s Worth Watching newsletter for the paid tier, and if you’re curious about that the 14-day free trial is right there waiting to be, um, tried. C’mon! I’m good at this, you should be reading me.