Lars Von Trier: Genius or jerkoff? It’s a question I’ve struggled to answer for decades now, and on this week’s Someone Else’s Movie I get just a little closer, since director Kristoffer Borgli chose Von Trier’s 1998 Dogme project The Idiots for the podcast.

The Idiots was, at the time, seen as Von Trier’s most provocative work — though it’d later be surpassed by Antichrist and The House That Jack Built — and I have never been all that fond of it. But Kristoffer saw it at just the right time, I guess, and it’s certainly influenced his work as a filmmaker, which is provocative and weird in its own specific way. (Have you seen Dream Scenario? You should really see Dream Scenario.)

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And then you should get caught up on your Shiny Things, since last week I went deep on Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer and the new Criterion edition of Claude Chabrol’s La Ceremonie, as well as the label’s new Janus Contemporaries imprint. Subscribe already!