This week’s episode of Someone Else’s Movie takes a little bit of a turn, as my guest Randall Okita — the writer-director behind the gifted, thoughtful drama The Lockpicker — turned out to be as interested in my thoughts on the film he’d brought to the show as I was in his.

That’s because the film in question, Larry Clark’s Kids, is a bit of a complicated proposition: I think it’s borderline exploitation, its simulated rawness intended to burnish Clark’s credibility as an artist … while Randall’s response was somewhat more immediate and personal, thanks mostly to how young he was when he first encountered it. It made for a really interesting conversation, and I’m very glad to be able to present it.

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